Part 2: Career & Football
Lucy Guan 0:00
Now it's the second part of this interview, which is juggling between career and football. So can you maybe tell us a little bit more about what you do at work? Like how much time you spend on work? What's the situation like right now? What do you do for Apple?
Tran Thai Khue 0:15
I just recently joined Apple about six months ago, slightly more than six months now. In the role that I'm doing, the job is from Monday to Friday. The standard working hours are from nine to five, but from time to time, I do have to work overtime. So, yeah, so let's say if there is a friendly game after work, I can't really guarantee that I can come.
The work is actually, I would say, I'm quite thankful. The role I'm working at, I do have to do overtime, but during the weekend, I do have the complete weekend for myself. I normally have to work over the weekend, so that gives me the freedom to play football. For me, it's really a passion. I always, you know, try to give it the priority that I will go for football for one of the days during the weekend.
In terms of juggling between my work and football, I think it's more of like, during the weekdays, I'm so busy, I don't think I have the time to like really train myself to be fit. Because even if you play recreationally, football can be quite physically demanding. Yeah. So and that's also a reason why I think I can only play as like, you know, for just for fun. It's not like serious playing where you really to invest at least three times or more than that, to train yourself to be fit.
Lucy Guan 2:08
Okay, so can you maybe tell us a little bit about like your career journey so far.
Tran Thai Khue 2:15
So I graduated from Singapore Management University in 2016, end of 2016. In 2017, I started my first job. So in my first job I was management training. It's a program where I was rotated to different departments overseas. So it's given me the chance to get the exposure to various teams and also different living environments. I was in Hong Kong, and then I moved to I came back to Singapore. And then after that was Shanghai and Bangkok. So the first two years of my career, I really didn't get to play football because I move every six months, and, you know, football is something that you need a team. And yeah, I didn't really quite have the time to explore, you know, whether in these cities there were other teams, other girls teams as well. So I actually missed football really a lot during these two years, and after my first job, last year, surprisingly, amidst COVID I managed to find the current role with Apple. I just saw the job online and gave it a try.
Yeah, so initially, when I applied, I didn't really think that, you know, I would get the job. Yeah, but after like a few rounds of interviews, somehow I made it. So the role is, how can I explain it? It's like, we manage the resellers of Apple. Yeah. So the resellers that buy from Apple in bulk, and they sell to the end customers. Yeah. So that's my career journey so far.
Lucy Guan 4:18
Okay. So the last question of this segment is would you say playing football has influenced or impacted your work? Like, have you learned any lessons from football that you can apply to your work life?
Tran Thai Khue 4:34
I think definitely. As I said earlier, one thing that I love about football is teamwork. So it's basically the same as a setting in your workplace. You don't do things alone, right? Everything is collaborations, and the deliverable is usually a team effort. So coming from football, I think it kind of like teaches you and prepares you throughout those years that you play in school that you try to think from other players' perspectives as well. Try to be inclusive, try to credit when your teammates are doing a good job, and also try to learn from others. So teamwork is definitely a thing that football has taught me, and I've brought it with me throughout my career. Another thing is, I guess the perseverance that, you know, when you play the sport, you don't give up. And it comes to, like, you know, on the on the pitch is really, you know, that ball that you chase, that challenge that you do with your opponent, basically at any moment, you don't give up, and your mentality that you know, you play to win. Even if you feel nervous, downright, you cannot give up the game. So when it comes to work, I guess there's a lot of issues on a daily basis you have to try to resolve. So far at the companies that I work, they are quite large organizations, to solve an issue sometimes you have to navigate in the organization itself, and it's pretty time consuming. To solve an issue on top of what you have to do on a daily basis, it's really, I would say it takes a lot of time and could be quite troublesome. So I think that perseverance, that tenacity that you want to get something resolved, is also something that I think I've learned from soccer, or football. Yeah, so that's also another thing.
And yeah, so maybe I'll share a bit more about my journey back in high school. My team back then right was a team of novices I think maybe with the exception of myself. When we started in the first year of high school, right? If somebody asked, "Do you think you can win the tournament, the inter-school tournament?" I think nobody would have believed that we could make it. But somehow we had a miracle. We actually won the tournament, we won the championship, and it's really like a miracle. They always make me believe that, you know, if you we have three words that my teammates and I always kind of like recall and just, you know, it's like: believe, hard work, and desire. So hard work, you know, is something that, you know, it's not just in football, it's really in life, not just in work. You have to work hard to earn something you want to win and to resolve something is the same that I can bring it over. And believe is, you know, it sounds like it's a fit, but I really believe that if in the first place if you don't believe that you can do something you'll never get it done. So these are the things that I really learned back in those high school days. Yeah, and I always keep it throughout my life journey, as well as in my career.
Lucy Guan 8:52
Yes, I completely agree that it's the same for me. So from football what I learned is really working in a team setting and also being more resilient. If there are difficulties just manage to overcome, and it definitely makes me a stronger person and also putting into hard work, and it will pay off.
Stay tuned for our final segment where we talk about career advice.